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 Sorcier Liguriens.

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MessageSujet: Sorcier Liguriens.   Jeu 9 Sep - 0:38


S'lut,

J'aimerais avoir une idée d'illustration pour les sorciers Liguriens.

Quelqu'un pourrait-il me suggérer une inspiration svp.


Merci d'avance.

A plus.
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MessageSujet: Re: Sorcier Liguriens.   Lun 20 Sep - 1:42

A priori, les Liguréens sont une race blanche dont la culture est très proche de celle des Pictes. Leurs sorciers sont appelés des Druides. Howard reste très vague à leur sujet.

Between the warriors and the dancing shaman stood one who was no Pict. For he was tall as I, and his skin was light in the play of the fire. But he was clad only in doeskin loin-clout and moccasins, and his body was painted, and there was a hawk-feather in his hair, so I knew he must be Ligurean, one of these light-skinned savages who dwell in small clans in the great forest, generally at war with the Picts, but sometimes at peace and allied with them. Their skins were as white as an Aquilonian’s. The Picts are a white race too, in that they are not black nor brown nor yellow, but they are black-eyed and black-haired and dark of skin, and neither they nor the Ligureans are spoken of as ‘white’ by the people of the Westermarck, who only designate thus a man of Hyborian blood.
Robert E. Howard, Wolves Beyond the Border

Voici ce qu'en dit Darlage dans Across The Thunder River:

The Ligureans are a tribe of light-skinned savages living in the Pictish Wilderness, but they are not Picts. They live in the northwest and are usually at war with many of the surrounding Pictish tribes, though they occasionally manage short-term alliances with several of them. No one knows who and what they are; some scholars believe they are descended from Acheroneans who managed to become lost in the wilderness, either intentionally or otherwise, and descended down the evolutionary ladder to a state of stone-age primitivism.

Others believe they are a pocket group of Atlanteans related to the Cimmerians. Perhaps they are the remnants of a surviving branch of Valusian. The truth is shrouded in the dim mists of time. Their place names indicate they probably live near the Cimmerian end of the Pictish
Wilderness.

Culture: Regardless of their origins, the Ligureans live as the Picts do, indistinguishable but for their white skin. They live in scattered villages and are a rough, strong and bold people.
They live in caves and makeshift dwellings of wood, branches and animal skins, often simple one or two roomed affairs, with a hearth. They often perch their rough homes in naturally fortified or inaccessible locations. The roughness of their homes and villages serve a purpose for these savages as they are easy to tear down and rebuild, a necessity for these masters of guerrilla warfare. Ligureans enjoy strong drink and manufacture their own mead, a potent fermented drink made from honey.

Names: Robert E. Howard did not provide any Ligurean names, though L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Carter provided the name of their most powerful druid, Diviatix. Other names, such as gods and places, have a distinct Celtic air to them, so their names are likely going to take the same style. Perhaps some names will also show a distinct Pictish influence due to sheer propinquity.

Religion: Robert E. Howard says nothing about the religious nature of the Ligureans. Since the race do not name themselves after animals as are the Picts, it stands to reason that the Ligureans do not have totem spirits. According to Black Sphinx of Nebthu, by L. Sprague de
Camp and Lin Carter, the Ligureans worship nature as a whole, with deities not unlike those of the Cimmerians in name. Their nature deities, called the Lords of Creation, are savage deities, and Nuadens Argatlam of the Silver Hand, also known as the Lord of the Great Abyss, is but one of them. The druids worship their dark gods and goddesses in great groves in the north-eastern reaches of Pictland. The largest and greatest of these groves is called
Nuadwyddon.

Their wizard-priests are known as druids. Dressed in white, they travel with staves and carry golden sickles tucked into their belts as an emblem of their rank. Even the greatest and most bloodthirsty of the Pict warchiefs dare not to harm one of the druids and some say the Picts fear the Ligurean druids. These druids appear to be impartial to the feuding, neither aiding nor hindering the violent feuds raging throughout the Pictish wilderness.

However, they are not impartial to the activities of black magic, particularly magic wrought by the priests of Set. This attitude may stem from racial memories of Acheron and their treatment of the Picts and the early Ligureans, or from actual oral traditions handed down through the generations. Ligurean druids are also familiar with Mitran symbols and wards, knowledge that likely comes from centuries of warring with the Bossonians.
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MessageSujet: Re: Sorcier Liguriens.   Lun 20 Sep - 2:00



Merci de la réponse,

J'avais déjà ces infos, je cherchais des illus mais j'ai eu beau chercher, point j'ai trouvé...tant pis, on va improviser...Wink

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MessageSujet: Re: Sorcier Liguriens.   Lun 20 Sep - 5:43

Savage Sword of Conan #59, qui adapte la nouvelle offre un rendu peu convaincant des Liguréens...
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MessageSujet: Re: Sorcier Liguriens.   Mar 21 Sep - 14:56


Dans la précipitation j'ai même pas vu que c'était toi qui m'avait répondu poto au premier message...trop fort...
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MessageSujet: Re: Sorcier Liguriens.   Mer 22 Sep - 1:31

Tête d"ampoule, va!
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MessageSujet: Re: Sorcier Liguriens.   Mer 22 Sep - 5:06

r'lyeh a écrit:

Dans la précipitation j'ai même pas vu que c'était toi qui m'avait répondu poto au premier message...trop fort...

Je soupçonne notre ami Hervé d'être en définitive un vieux sorcier de l'âge Hyboréen qui aurait survécu jusqu'à nos jours... Laughing

Un tel savoir est digne d'un savant némédien... Wink
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